gc4me
11-18 11:01 AM
I received a phone call (WOW!) from a sweet lady from CIS Ombudsman's office. I sent letters to his office and in the letter I mentioned my cell #. Anyway she wants a real person who got deniel. I told her that my friend got deniel (IVens are my fried). Anyway, she sent an email too after I asked her to give her info so that my friend can send her his case details. Unfortunately, the email I received shortly after the conversation, looks like general and does not have her ID. Please PM me if you like to hear more about the phone call.
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Thank you for your correspondence to the Office of the Citizenship and Immigration Services Ombudsman (CIS Ombudsman).
We greatly appreciate your comments regarding issues concerning the American Competitiveness Act in the Twenty-First Century Act of 2000 (AC21) processing at the service centers. As we have received several inquiries such as yours, we are currently discussing these issues with USCIS and reviewing their policies and procedures regarding adjudication of these petitions.
If you have evidence of a specific I-485, Application to Register Permanent Residence or Adjust Status case that you feel was erroneously denied due to USCIS not adhering to AC21 guidelines, we kindly ask that you please immediately forward us a case problem request, including a copy of your denial notice, detailed information as to the reasons for the immediate denial, and, if appropriate, evidence that you have submitted a Motion to Reopen or Reconsider.
Instructions for completing a DHS Form 7001 (case problem) can be found on our website: http://www.dhs.gov/ximgtn/programs/editorial_0497.shtm#10.
Please submit your case problem and supporting documents via email to cisombudsman@dhs.gov or via facsimile to 202-357-0042 with the subject AC21 Evidence of Immediate Denial.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Sincerely,
CIS Ombudsman
(cmp)
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Thank you for your correspondence to the Office of the Citizenship and Immigration Services Ombudsman (CIS Ombudsman).
We greatly appreciate your comments regarding issues concerning the American Competitiveness Act in the Twenty-First Century Act of 2000 (AC21) processing at the service centers. As we have received several inquiries such as yours, we are currently discussing these issues with USCIS and reviewing their policies and procedures regarding adjudication of these petitions.
If you have evidence of a specific I-485, Application to Register Permanent Residence or Adjust Status case that you feel was erroneously denied due to USCIS not adhering to AC21 guidelines, we kindly ask that you please immediately forward us a case problem request, including a copy of your denial notice, detailed information as to the reasons for the immediate denial, and, if appropriate, evidence that you have submitted a Motion to Reopen or Reconsider.
Instructions for completing a DHS Form 7001 (case problem) can be found on our website: http://www.dhs.gov/ximgtn/programs/editorial_0497.shtm#10.
Please submit your case problem and supporting documents via email to cisombudsman@dhs.gov or via facsimile to 202-357-0042 with the subject AC21 Evidence of Immediate Denial.
Thank you for your cooperation.
Sincerely,
CIS Ombudsman
(cmp)
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brshankar
08-07 02:11 PM
Sunny_surya,
What is you PD?
I asked this earlier, may be you missed it, so, let me ask you again...
What is your PD.
Regards,
GCCovet
Dude,
Sunnysurya is busy trying to get people for the lawsuit. He will not reply to you.
According to IV Tracker, his EB2 PD is Nov 2005. He has filed in Nebraska.
Thanks
What is you PD?
I asked this earlier, may be you missed it, so, let me ask you again...
What is your PD.
Regards,
GCCovet
Dude,
Sunnysurya is busy trying to get people for the lawsuit. He will not reply to you.
According to IV Tracker, his EB2 PD is Nov 2005. He has filed in Nebraska.
Thanks
nrk
08-17 02:05 PM
congrats.....
Your Case Status: Decision
On August 17, 2010, we mailed you a notice that we had registered this customer's new permanent resident status. Please follow any instructions on the notice. Your new permanent resident card should be mailed within 60 days following this registration or after you complete any ADIT processing referred to in the welcome notice, whichever is later. If you move before receiving your card, please call our customer service center at 1-800-375-5283.
During this step the formal decision (approved/denied) is written and the decision notice is mailed and/or emailed to the applicant/petitioner. You can use our current processing time to gauge when you can expect to receive a final decision.
Case Status changed to Decision..with the above message today.
After 2 failed marriages (i mean with 2 different companies)...some risk-taking ..coz, i left my second employer after crossing 200 days since filing I-485 , Used EAD and took up full-time employment with an awesome organization , and then later 2nd employer revoking I-140 that lead to an RFE ...and USCIS keeping the status Response received since Jan 2009 ...and now this ...after opening an SR on 08/10..Looks like it took an exact week since the SR was created.
Of course, my roller-coaster was a small one compared to the rest of the friends in this forum.. Good luck to all and thanks to one and everyone.
Cheers..
Your Case Status: Decision
On August 17, 2010, we mailed you a notice that we had registered this customer's new permanent resident status. Please follow any instructions on the notice. Your new permanent resident card should be mailed within 60 days following this registration or after you complete any ADIT processing referred to in the welcome notice, whichever is later. If you move before receiving your card, please call our customer service center at 1-800-375-5283.
During this step the formal decision (approved/denied) is written and the decision notice is mailed and/or emailed to the applicant/petitioner. You can use our current processing time to gauge when you can expect to receive a final decision.
Case Status changed to Decision..with the above message today.
After 2 failed marriages (i mean with 2 different companies)...some risk-taking ..coz, i left my second employer after crossing 200 days since filing I-485 , Used EAD and took up full-time employment with an awesome organization , and then later 2nd employer revoking I-140 that lead to an RFE ...and USCIS keeping the status Response received since Jan 2009 ...and now this ...after opening an SR on 08/10..Looks like it took an exact week since the SR was created.
Of course, my roller-coaster was a small one compared to the rest of the friends in this forum.. Good luck to all and thanks to one and everyone.
Cheers..
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drona
07-09 07:29 PM
Please also mention the EB retrogression, backlogs and revised July visa bulletin issue here. We must mention WHY we sent the flowers
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desi3933
08-21 09:52 PM
03 is my pd..not approval date..mine was bec'ed.yes from about 01..
Thanks for the clarification.
If your PD is 2003, then you are waiting for 5 years, not for decade. Just FYI, saying decade (instead of 5 years) is material misrepresentation.
Good Luck.
Thanks for the clarification.
If your PD is 2003, then you are waiting for 5 years, not for decade. Just FYI, saying decade (instead of 5 years) is material misrepresentation.
Good Luck.
grupak
08-21 11:02 AM
Guys,
EB2 guys( those who do not want to support EB3)::
What will you do, in EB3 shoes, if the numbers are not moving in 2-3 months. You got it. MOst of them will change to EB2, right. I will too. I am sure you can imagine the scene then. I know 8 of my 15 friends have already jumped to EB2. And I am sure they have much higher priority date than most of EB2s there. So you know what to expect. Lets ALL support for the common cause.
Sri.
I understand the frustration. Until two months back my PD was retro. Now, I already have my GC on my EB2-NIW I-140 and also had an approved EB1-OR I-140 recently. I am not here to suggest anyone shouldn't do what they think is best for them.
My own understanding of the law is that EB1 gets the left over EB5, EB2 gets the unused numbers from EB1 and the EB5 that went into EB1 but unused. EB3 gets the unused numbers from EB2 and those from EB1+EB5 unused by EB2. This maintains the preference categories (USCIS's definition, I am not saying EB2 is better than EB3).
No matter how the numbers are distributed, there is more demand than supply. It is unlikely all the unused EB1 and EB2 ROW numbers would fall to EB3 ROW and then to EB3-C/I. Some would surely go to EB2-C/I. Right now everyone is retro except EB1 and EB2 ROW. So, redistribution doesn't fix the problem just redistributes the retrogression.
If we can get the recapture and elimination of country ceiling then everybody benefits. The fact that we have an immigration bill is in itself quite something.
No matter how USCIS or DOS allocates the numbers, there will be backlog and its in everyone's interest whether C/I or ROW to think about pushing for the immigration reform bills.
EB2 guys( those who do not want to support EB3)::
What will you do, in EB3 shoes, if the numbers are not moving in 2-3 months. You got it. MOst of them will change to EB2, right. I will too. I am sure you can imagine the scene then. I know 8 of my 15 friends have already jumped to EB2. And I am sure they have much higher priority date than most of EB2s there. So you know what to expect. Lets ALL support for the common cause.
Sri.
I understand the frustration. Until two months back my PD was retro. Now, I already have my GC on my EB2-NIW I-140 and also had an approved EB1-OR I-140 recently. I am not here to suggest anyone shouldn't do what they think is best for them.
My own understanding of the law is that EB1 gets the left over EB5, EB2 gets the unused numbers from EB1 and the EB5 that went into EB1 but unused. EB3 gets the unused numbers from EB2 and those from EB1+EB5 unused by EB2. This maintains the preference categories (USCIS's definition, I am not saying EB2 is better than EB3).
No matter how the numbers are distributed, there is more demand than supply. It is unlikely all the unused EB1 and EB2 ROW numbers would fall to EB3 ROW and then to EB3-C/I. Some would surely go to EB2-C/I. Right now everyone is retro except EB1 and EB2 ROW. So, redistribution doesn't fix the problem just redistributes the retrogression.
If we can get the recapture and elimination of country ceiling then everybody benefits. The fact that we have an immigration bill is in itself quite something.
No matter how USCIS or DOS allocates the numbers, there will be backlog and its in everyone's interest whether C/I or ROW to think about pushing for the immigration reform bills.
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wizkid732
08-13 07:59 AM
15 years (Aug 11th), 2 days and counting .... All in US Came for masters in 1995
:D
Lets find out who waited the longest, and felicitate him/her.
I found 3 umar kaidis. (14 yrs is a life term in indian penal system).
Who is the senior most of these 3?
:D
Lets find out who waited the longest, and felicitate him/her.
I found 3 umar kaidis. (14 yrs is a life term in indian penal system).
Who is the senior most of these 3?
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abhis0
09-18 09:09 AM
I am a July 2 filer , finally received my receipt for 485, EAD, AP from texas.
The notice date is Sep 6.
Also, EAD card ordered
Did you see your checks cashed?
The notice date is Sep 6.
Also, EAD card ordered
Did you see your checks cashed?
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jingi1234
01-20 06:52 PM
I called the department of state, visa's section to enquire about this PIMS verification. They said that KCC handles it. When I called KCC they said they cannot check ahead of time :mad:
Folks who had delays in getting H1b stamped due to the PIMS system:
Can you look at your I-797 and see if there was an A number (something like A123 456 789) mentioned under the "Beneficiary" box?
I have A number ...I think that signifies AOS number or something...
What is your point?
Folks who had delays in getting H1b stamped due to the PIMS system:
Can you look at your I-797 and see if there was an A number (something like A123 456 789) mentioned under the "Beneficiary" box?
I have A number ...I think that signifies AOS number or something...
What is your point?
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ssa
11-25 12:44 PM
And to think just sometime back we had an action item to send mails saying "Give us GCs and we will buy houses and help the economy"! What a joke!! For all the labels of highly skilled/highly educated etc. that we shower ourselves with we are no better than those idiots and irresponsible people who bought houses far beyond what they can afford and ran away putting their keys in mailboxes when going got tough.
To the original poster: You asked an advise on an open forum. You asked a favor. You can't dictate terms like just tell me options and not your opinion etc.when you ask a favor. You don't like what people have to say about you, don't ask them for help. That's the way it works. Other people have every right to be upset with you as if and when you foreclose you will be asking taxpayers - and that's us - to foot your bill.
To the original poster: You asked an advise on an open forum. You asked a favor. You can't dictate terms like just tell me options and not your opinion etc.when you ask a favor. You don't like what people have to say about you, don't ask them for help. That's the way it works. Other people have every right to be upset with you as if and when you foreclose you will be asking taxpayers - and that's us - to foot your bill.
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ak_2004
05-06 10:16 PM
Hi friends,
My husband and me work for the same company now. He applied in EB3 (India) and PD date with December 2006. I-140 approved and I-485 applied in July 2007. Got EAD and AP for both but still working on H1B (Not used EAD and AP).
From other company, in 2007, I applied for labor substitution and it is approved yesterday, which has PD Nov 2004 (EB3 - India). One of my friend working for this company and I got the reference last moment and I was not hoping for this approval.
Now I have to switch to this company as the company management are asking me to join the company. I read many threads in this forum and this thread too about multiple filings of I485s and withdraw one while applying other.
I read some people had no problems with multiple I-485s. But Murthy's advice is against this while others like Rajiv in favour of this.
Please advice me what could be the best in my case.
I have PG in engineering (CS) from India.
Thanks in advance
My husband and me work for the same company now. He applied in EB3 (India) and PD date with December 2006. I-140 approved and I-485 applied in July 2007. Got EAD and AP for both but still working on H1B (Not used EAD and AP).
From other company, in 2007, I applied for labor substitution and it is approved yesterday, which has PD Nov 2004 (EB3 - India). One of my friend working for this company and I got the reference last moment and I was not hoping for this approval.
Now I have to switch to this company as the company management are asking me to join the company. I read many threads in this forum and this thread too about multiple filings of I485s and withdraw one while applying other.
I read some people had no problems with multiple I-485s. But Murthy's advice is against this while others like Rajiv in favour of this.
Please advice me what could be the best in my case.
I have PG in engineering (CS) from India.
Thanks in advance
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10-18 10:20 AM
I just saw this on digg.
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whitecollarslave
03-26 01:04 PM
Yes, I am aware about this but in my case I do not have any written or tape recorded evidence. In other guy's case at least he have written proof (Capital One) and that can be the base. Now many companies are doing this so it is ofcourse my assumption that they can do this under "Hire and fire" authority.. And main problem is that, when you are out for a job, you do not stop thinking to takle particular one "no", you want to just move haead and fix your job first.. That is practical reality:)
I appreciate your point of view and bringing forth the practical reality in this situation. However, your attitude and tone, which seems to suggest that this is a lost cause and a helpless situation, is somewhat discouraging.
Nobody is suggesting that you drop your job search, drop everything, and file a law suit. What do you do? You go and find a job elsewhere, of course. You are right, the reality is that employers may ask you questions about your visa/immigration status. But there is a better way to handle such situations. Mark had posted some great tips on that. Even after all that, you may end up in a situation such as yours - where you mentioned that 5 employers told you that they will not hire somebody on EAD. You can remain quiet about it and go about your life, or you can do something about it. Its up to you.
Think about the visa delays, retrogression, etc. You could have stayed quiet and let the lawmakers, employers and the government deal with it or you could have done something about it. There is nothing "illegal" that the government is doing by making you wait years for a green card. But you did not sit quiet about it, did you? You joined the cause of IV, you wrote letters to the President, right?
Employers have the right to make a policy or a hiring decision that they want a person with certain skill set or experience, etc. They can find a tons of reasons not to interview or hire somebody. But race, gender, immigration status, etc. CANNOT be one of the reasons or criteria. This is my understanding of the law. I believe it is written in simple English that an employer CANNOT discriminate or make hiring decisions based on immigration status unless mandated by the job requirement (such as security clearance).
You are blindly assuming that whatever the employers are doing is within legal bounds, without questioning, even when the documents (see I-9 form, or DOL's web site for example) clearly state that such practices are illegal. (I am not a lawyer, this is my understanding of the law.) All I am saying is that if I were in this situation (denied on EAD), I would write to the heads of HR, ask a lawyer if this constitutes discrimination, call the OSC hot line, ask in the forums for employment law, contact ACLU or other civil rights groups. Heck, I am not affected by this (yet), and I still did some of the above because I have the urge to find out if this is indeed discrimination as viewed by the law and if so, do something about it. You don't need written evidence for any of these.
I appreciate your point of view and bringing forth the practical reality in this situation. However, your attitude and tone, which seems to suggest that this is a lost cause and a helpless situation, is somewhat discouraging.
Nobody is suggesting that you drop your job search, drop everything, and file a law suit. What do you do? You go and find a job elsewhere, of course. You are right, the reality is that employers may ask you questions about your visa/immigration status. But there is a better way to handle such situations. Mark had posted some great tips on that. Even after all that, you may end up in a situation such as yours - where you mentioned that 5 employers told you that they will not hire somebody on EAD. You can remain quiet about it and go about your life, or you can do something about it. Its up to you.
Think about the visa delays, retrogression, etc. You could have stayed quiet and let the lawmakers, employers and the government deal with it or you could have done something about it. There is nothing "illegal" that the government is doing by making you wait years for a green card. But you did not sit quiet about it, did you? You joined the cause of IV, you wrote letters to the President, right?
Employers have the right to make a policy or a hiring decision that they want a person with certain skill set or experience, etc. They can find a tons of reasons not to interview or hire somebody. But race, gender, immigration status, etc. CANNOT be one of the reasons or criteria. This is my understanding of the law. I believe it is written in simple English that an employer CANNOT discriminate or make hiring decisions based on immigration status unless mandated by the job requirement (such as security clearance).
You are blindly assuming that whatever the employers are doing is within legal bounds, without questioning, even when the documents (see I-9 form, or DOL's web site for example) clearly state that such practices are illegal. (I am not a lawyer, this is my understanding of the law.) All I am saying is that if I were in this situation (denied on EAD), I would write to the heads of HR, ask a lawyer if this constitutes discrimination, call the OSC hot line, ask in the forums for employment law, contact ACLU or other civil rights groups. Heck, I am not affected by this (yet), and I still did some of the above because I have the urge to find out if this is indeed discrimination as viewed by the law and if so, do something about it. You don't need written evidence for any of these.
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06-15 11:17 AM
Please cite the sources of the information when you post on this thread. Either a URL or wherever else you got the information.
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jsb
09-20 04:20 PM
USCIS is not prepared for anything. if this works then great. if not i tried didn't work out.... :)
My attorney told me that there are several July 2 cases they have not heard back about, although they got receipts for July 19 and later cases long time ago. They told that they are making a formal enquiry. How do they do that I don't know.
I just hope that it is just a normal RIRO, not a lost bundle of applications which was originally marked for rejection/return.
My attorney told me that there are several July 2 cases they have not heard back about, although they got receipts for July 19 and later cases long time ago. They told that they are making a formal enquiry. How do they do that I don't know.
I just hope that it is just a normal RIRO, not a lost bundle of applications which was originally marked for rejection/return.
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delhirocks
06-29 09:11 PM
NO Matter how many people say "Take it easy" its simply not possible, you will have to be a superhuman to do that. Sure its stressfull but no more stressful than boarding your first flight to USA. no more stressful than attending 1st H1B interview at the consulate or your first client interview. So in the end, we have been through all the hurdles with most of us surviving 2001-2002 job markets and now is 2007.
The point is we have been through all that successfully and thats a BIG WIN. So we will be through this too, but not without stress. The day we decided to come to USA and until now we have been successful as we are resourceful and can improvise at a short notice and we will. We are shrewd individuals and We Will PREVAIL.
Amen....
The point is we have been through all that successfully and thats a BIG WIN. So we will be through this too, but not without stress. The day we decided to come to USA and until now we have been successful as we are resourceful and can improvise at a short notice and we will. We are shrewd individuals and We Will PREVAIL.
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07-11 12:31 PM
http://www.abcnews.go.com/Politics/WireStory?id=3364485&page=2
This is same as Reuters piece though! but would suggest to include and bump the count on medias
This is same as Reuters piece though! but would suggest to include and bump the count on medias
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cnag
09-09 04:40 PM
I could not reach the following reps the first time in the morning. I called them again now:
Tammy Baldwin 202-225-2906 - Congresswoman will vote in favour of the bill
Rick Boucher 202-225-3861 - Will pass on the message
William Delahunt 202-225-3111 - Will pass on the message
Guys, Please keep calling. will take less than a minute per call
Tammy Baldwin 202-225-2906 - Congresswoman will vote in favour of the bill
Rick Boucher 202-225-3861 - Will pass on the message
William Delahunt 202-225-3111 - Will pass on the message
Guys, Please keep calling. will take less than a minute per call
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shahuja
02-12 06:58 AM
FINALLY I GOT MY PP with Visa Stamp today !!!!
the status changed on the VFS website 'pp delivered' in the morning around 11am.
Here is my case:-
Int for H1B renewal, same company same job, at New Delhi consulate - 14th Jan. VO said "approved, you will get your passport couriered to your home in a couple of days'.
10 days went by and no response. By Feb 1st week, i started calling DOS ..DOS confirmed to have sent the clearance on Jan 25th..
Since then my lawyers and me have been trying to find out the reason for delay from both DOS and embassy.. NO LUCK @@
today on Feb 12th..30 calendar days..i got my pp back. And I am flying back home tonight.
Thanks to everyone who helped me and supported me during this long wait.
In my opinion my case was delayed only for PIMS..but since i had H4, F1, studied at 4 schools, and fairst H1 and this H1B renewal..it took VO good amount of time correlate and work on all this.
I guess mostly delays are for renewals and for people specially with longer history in states. The embassy's are swamped with work and now days a general processing time has been made to 30 days. Infact its also mentioned on their website that most cases are completed withing 30 days..Just FYI..even for PIMS verification, the embassy will report to you as administrative delay.
I hope all this helps to people who are still waiting and who may have long waits in future.
Once again all the best.
Shweta
the status changed on the VFS website 'pp delivered' in the morning around 11am.
Here is my case:-
Int for H1B renewal, same company same job, at New Delhi consulate - 14th Jan. VO said "approved, you will get your passport couriered to your home in a couple of days'.
10 days went by and no response. By Feb 1st week, i started calling DOS ..DOS confirmed to have sent the clearance on Jan 25th..
Since then my lawyers and me have been trying to find out the reason for delay from both DOS and embassy.. NO LUCK @@
today on Feb 12th..30 calendar days..i got my pp back. And I am flying back home tonight.
Thanks to everyone who helped me and supported me during this long wait.
In my opinion my case was delayed only for PIMS..but since i had H4, F1, studied at 4 schools, and fairst H1 and this H1B renewal..it took VO good amount of time correlate and work on all this.
I guess mostly delays are for renewals and for people specially with longer history in states. The embassy's are swamped with work and now days a general processing time has been made to 30 days. Infact its also mentioned on their website that most cases are completed withing 30 days..Just FYI..even for PIMS verification, the embassy will report to you as administrative delay.
I hope all this helps to people who are still waiting and who may have long waits in future.
Once again all the best.
Shweta
sweet_jungle
03-27 03:17 AM
One more company that does not hire on EAD is Applied Biosystems
There is a whole lot of good information about citizenship or immigration status discrimination at http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/osc
From their Employee Brochure:
http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/osc/pdf/publications/en_wbroc.pdf
From their Employer Brochure:
http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/osc/pdf/publications/en_guide0507.pdf
From OSC Update newsletter April 2004:
http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/osc/pdf/osc_update_APR04.pdf
FAQ:
If you are told by an employer (verbally or in writing) that they will consider only citizens or green card holders, call the OSC hotline. They may not give you the job based on some other criteria but they will not discriminate anybody else in the future.
If you find any job posting or ad which states that they will hire only citizens or green card holders, or explicitly declines to hire somebody with EAD, post it here. If you don't wish to, maybe somebody else can make the call.
In most cases it would be pure ignorance on the recruiter's part. A simple phone call from OSC will clear that.
Of course the best course is to avoid bringing up EAD in the first place. But if it comes to that, you can reach out to OSC, even if you don't have anything in writing.
There is a whole lot of good information about citizenship or immigration status discrimination at http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/osc
From their Employee Brochure:
http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/osc/pdf/publications/en_wbroc.pdf
From their Employer Brochure:
http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/osc/pdf/publications/en_guide0507.pdf
From OSC Update newsletter April 2004:
http://www.usdoj.gov/crt/osc/pdf/osc_update_APR04.pdf
FAQ:
If you are told by an employer (verbally or in writing) that they will consider only citizens or green card holders, call the OSC hotline. They may not give you the job based on some other criteria but they will not discriminate anybody else in the future.
If you find any job posting or ad which states that they will hire only citizens or green card holders, or explicitly declines to hire somebody with EAD, post it here. If you don't wish to, maybe somebody else can make the call.
In most cases it would be pure ignorance on the recruiter's part. A simple phone call from OSC will clear that.
Of course the best course is to avoid bringing up EAD in the first place. But if it comes to that, you can reach out to OSC, even if you don't have anything in writing.
Macaca
12-05 04:46 PM
JUAN GONZALEZ: �because I�ve been very concerned about the lack of historical understanding of the immigration battles in our country, going back to the Irish in the 1840s. Father Joseph Fitzpatrick, who was a wonderful sociologist of Fordham University, once did a study of the criminal populations in New York City in 1859, concluded that 83% of all the criminal convictions in 1859 in New York City were Irish�were Irish, not Canadian, Scotch, English or Germans or the other bulk of the population in New York at the time, but were Irish, right? Henry McLaughlin, the�
LOU DOBBS: What in the world is your point?
JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, I�m getting to my point, but give me the time to do it. We have time on this show, unlike�we don�t do soundbites here, alright?
LOU DOBBS: No, and you certainly don�t do representative journalism, either.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Henry McLaughlin, Lou, was the guy who was the main consultant to the US Congress in developing the immigration restriction laws of the 1920s, a eugenicist who, interestingly enough, examined the facts�high crime rates among the immigrant population in the 1920s. Tuberculosis, disease, drunkenness�and these were the reasons�his studies of the population of the immigrant population were the basis upon which Congress decided on its restrictive laws to limit the number of southern Europeans, of Jews and of other nationalities that were coming into the country at the time. My point is that the issue of crime and the issue of disease has always been attempted by those who want to restrict immigration, right? But identifying�
LOU DOBBS: Juan, you�re smarter than this. I mean�
JUAN GONZALEZ: �with the immigrant population coming into the country.
LOU DOBBS: You�re smarter than this. You�re better than this.
JUAN GONZALEZ: You know, you�re doing the same thing that Henry�
LOU DOBBS: No, I�m�
JUAN GONZALEZ: �McLaughlin did in the 1920s�
LOU DOBBS: Oh, you�re�
JUAN GONZALEZ: �and the same thing that was done against the Irish�
LOU DOBBS: Juan, if you believe that�
JUAN GONZALEZ: �in the 1850s.
LOU DOBBS: If you believe that, you should look into that camera and say you apologize for trying to mislead people purposefully. The reality is this. Have you ever once heard me say anything other than I have the greatest respect for illegal immigrants in this country? Illegal immigrants. Forget immigrants, illegal immigrants. Have you ever heard me say anything other than that? Have you ever heard me say anything other than, I believe that the illegal alien in this entire mess is the only rational actor? Have you ever heard me say that? Have you ever read the transcripts of my broadcasts? Do you have any�
JUAN GONZALEZ: Yes, I�ve read quite a few of your transcripts. Not all of them, I have to confess. I work with�
LOU DOBBS: Would you like to tell me? Have you ever heard me say anything other than that? Have you ever heard me say that I want to have immigration restricted? I mean, my god, man, do you have any�any�sense of fidelity to the reality?
JUAN GONZALEZ: Yes, I do. And the reality is�
LOU DOBBS: How in the world can you use my name and �anti-immigrant� in the same breath?
AMY GOODMAN: When we hear comments like�
LOU DOBBS: You hear�
AMY GOODMAN: �a third of the�from you�we�ve played them, so we can�t refute the videotape, Lou.
LOU DOBBS: Have you looked, Amy�
AMY GOODMAN: We can�t refute�a third of prisoners are�
LOU DOBBS: Yes. And we discussed that?
AMY GOODMAN: �are illegal immigrants�
LOU DOBBS: Have we discussed it?
AMY GOODMAN: No, a third of prisoners are illegal immigrants, not true. 7,000 leprosy cases in the last three years because of illegal immigrants�
LOU DOBBS: Christine Romans misspoke�
AMY GOODMAN: �not true.
LOU DOBBS: �we said that. And that�s as straightforward as we can put it.
AMY GOODMAN: And you made an announcement on your show�
LOU DOBBS: Absolutely.
AMY GOODMAN: �and you will say it here�
LOU DOBBS: Absolutely.
AMY GOODMAN: �that it is not true. Illegal immigrants are not responsible for 7,000 cases of leprosy over last three years.
LOU DOBBS: Not over the last three years. But the likelihood is that illegal immigrants are responsible, because they are the ones who brought Hansen�s disease�
AMY GOODMAN: �The likelihood��based on what, Lou?
LOU DOBBS: Based on doctors at the Hansen Center,�
AMY GOODMAN: No.
LOU DOBBS: �who said that�listen to me. Hansen�s�I mean, if you guys�you guys are just ridiculous in your loss of proportion here. You�re talking about one report. But if you want to talk about it, tuberculosis and Hansen�s disease are both screened, and they are so similar in the symptoms and their presentation that doctors look for that in the screening. Without question.
AMY GOODMAN: But as you agree now, you�re formally apologizing for having a presentation on your show�
LOU DOBBS: I already have.
AMY GOODMAN: �and then backing it up.
LOU DOBBS: Wait, wait, wait.
AMY GOODMAN: Again, this is not just one show.
LOU DOBBS: Referring to three years, OK?
AMY GOODMAN: So you�re saying that illegal immigrants have caused 7,000 cases of leprosy�
LOU DOBBS: No.
AMY GOODMAN: �over thirty years?
LOU DOBBS: I�m saying the likelihood is that those cases of Hansen�s disease are, according to the doctors at the Hansen Center, most likely as a result of illegal immigration, because they�re not being screened.
AMY GOODMAN: You know the fear�
LOU DOBBS: But why contain this?
AMY GOODMAN: Well, the reason�
LOU DOBBS: How about tuberculosis?
AMY GOODMAN: Let me make a point.
LOU DOBBS: Does that concern you?
AMY GOODMAN: Let me just say something. Let me just say something.
LOU DOBBS: Right.
AMY GOODMAN: The reason we�re raising these issues is not any one particular case, though I think facts matter�
LOU DOBBS: You�re giving more focus to this issue�
AMY GOODMAN: �because�
LOU DOBBS: We put one report, eight seconds, and you are giving an entire broadcast to this.
AMY GOODMAN: No. It is well more than eight seconds. But I want to make a point here. Even when you were called on it by 60 Minutes�they played a clip�you came back the next day�
LOU DOBBS: Right.
AMY GOODMAN: �and you continued this fallacy. But the issue is, we�re raising different issues in different spheres of American life�prisons, disease�and in each of these cases, what many people are concerned about what you�re doing, because there is no question, Lou Dobbs, you are extremely influential in this country. You are a key part of driving the debate on immigration.
LOU DOBBS: Right.
AMY GOODMAN: And so, I think it is important to be accurate�
LOU DOBBS: Oh, I do, too.
AMY GOODMAN: �to start there.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Yeah, but I think we should�
LOU DOBBS: Have you ever made a mistake on this broadcast, Amy?
AMY GOODMAN: Yes.
LOU DOBBS: How many, would you say?
AMY GOODMAN: I would say that each time it�s pointed out, we try to apologize for it.
LOU DOBBS: So do we.
AMY GOODMAN: And we try to correct the record.
LOU DOBBS: And the issue is, for me, the 7,000 cases�as soon as I understood the issue was the three years versus thirty years�I mean, to me it was a�
AMY GOODMAN: That�s not minor.
LOU DOBBS: To me, it frankly was of no interest. The issue was 7,000 cases on the registry of Hansen�s. That was the issue I was responding to when I understood fully the three-year thing. I mean, to me, the idea was whether the registry had been brought up to date or not. No one in their right mind thought that�you know, a year, or whatever, that a thousand cases had been created.
LOU DOBBS: What in the world is your point?
JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, I�m getting to my point, but give me the time to do it. We have time on this show, unlike�we don�t do soundbites here, alright?
LOU DOBBS: No, and you certainly don�t do representative journalism, either.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Henry McLaughlin, Lou, was the guy who was the main consultant to the US Congress in developing the immigration restriction laws of the 1920s, a eugenicist who, interestingly enough, examined the facts�high crime rates among the immigrant population in the 1920s. Tuberculosis, disease, drunkenness�and these were the reasons�his studies of the population of the immigrant population were the basis upon which Congress decided on its restrictive laws to limit the number of southern Europeans, of Jews and of other nationalities that were coming into the country at the time. My point is that the issue of crime and the issue of disease has always been attempted by those who want to restrict immigration, right? But identifying�
LOU DOBBS: Juan, you�re smarter than this. I mean�
JUAN GONZALEZ: �with the immigrant population coming into the country.
LOU DOBBS: You�re smarter than this. You�re better than this.
JUAN GONZALEZ: You know, you�re doing the same thing that Henry�
LOU DOBBS: No, I�m�
JUAN GONZALEZ: �McLaughlin did in the 1920s�
LOU DOBBS: Oh, you�re�
JUAN GONZALEZ: �and the same thing that was done against the Irish�
LOU DOBBS: Juan, if you believe that�
JUAN GONZALEZ: �in the 1850s.
LOU DOBBS: If you believe that, you should look into that camera and say you apologize for trying to mislead people purposefully. The reality is this. Have you ever once heard me say anything other than I have the greatest respect for illegal immigrants in this country? Illegal immigrants. Forget immigrants, illegal immigrants. Have you ever heard me say anything other than that? Have you ever heard me say anything other than, I believe that the illegal alien in this entire mess is the only rational actor? Have you ever heard me say that? Have you ever read the transcripts of my broadcasts? Do you have any�
JUAN GONZALEZ: Yes, I�ve read quite a few of your transcripts. Not all of them, I have to confess. I work with�
LOU DOBBS: Would you like to tell me? Have you ever heard me say anything other than that? Have you ever heard me say that I want to have immigration restricted? I mean, my god, man, do you have any�any�sense of fidelity to the reality?
JUAN GONZALEZ: Yes, I do. And the reality is�
LOU DOBBS: How in the world can you use my name and �anti-immigrant� in the same breath?
AMY GOODMAN: When we hear comments like�
LOU DOBBS: You hear�
AMY GOODMAN: �a third of the�from you�we�ve played them, so we can�t refute the videotape, Lou.
LOU DOBBS: Have you looked, Amy�
AMY GOODMAN: We can�t refute�a third of prisoners are�
LOU DOBBS: Yes. And we discussed that?
AMY GOODMAN: �are illegal immigrants�
LOU DOBBS: Have we discussed it?
AMY GOODMAN: No, a third of prisoners are illegal immigrants, not true. 7,000 leprosy cases in the last three years because of illegal immigrants�
LOU DOBBS: Christine Romans misspoke�
AMY GOODMAN: �not true.
LOU DOBBS: �we said that. And that�s as straightforward as we can put it.
AMY GOODMAN: And you made an announcement on your show�
LOU DOBBS: Absolutely.
AMY GOODMAN: �and you will say it here�
LOU DOBBS: Absolutely.
AMY GOODMAN: �that it is not true. Illegal immigrants are not responsible for 7,000 cases of leprosy over last three years.
LOU DOBBS: Not over the last three years. But the likelihood is that illegal immigrants are responsible, because they are the ones who brought Hansen�s disease�
AMY GOODMAN: �The likelihood��based on what, Lou?
LOU DOBBS: Based on doctors at the Hansen Center,�
AMY GOODMAN: No.
LOU DOBBS: �who said that�listen to me. Hansen�s�I mean, if you guys�you guys are just ridiculous in your loss of proportion here. You�re talking about one report. But if you want to talk about it, tuberculosis and Hansen�s disease are both screened, and they are so similar in the symptoms and their presentation that doctors look for that in the screening. Without question.
AMY GOODMAN: But as you agree now, you�re formally apologizing for having a presentation on your show�
LOU DOBBS: I already have.
AMY GOODMAN: �and then backing it up.
LOU DOBBS: Wait, wait, wait.
AMY GOODMAN: Again, this is not just one show.
LOU DOBBS: Referring to three years, OK?
AMY GOODMAN: So you�re saying that illegal immigrants have caused 7,000 cases of leprosy�
LOU DOBBS: No.
AMY GOODMAN: �over thirty years?
LOU DOBBS: I�m saying the likelihood is that those cases of Hansen�s disease are, according to the doctors at the Hansen Center, most likely as a result of illegal immigration, because they�re not being screened.
AMY GOODMAN: You know the fear�
LOU DOBBS: But why contain this?
AMY GOODMAN: Well, the reason�
LOU DOBBS: How about tuberculosis?
AMY GOODMAN: Let me make a point.
LOU DOBBS: Does that concern you?
AMY GOODMAN: Let me just say something. Let me just say something.
LOU DOBBS: Right.
AMY GOODMAN: The reason we�re raising these issues is not any one particular case, though I think facts matter�
LOU DOBBS: You�re giving more focus to this issue�
AMY GOODMAN: �because�
LOU DOBBS: We put one report, eight seconds, and you are giving an entire broadcast to this.
AMY GOODMAN: No. It is well more than eight seconds. But I want to make a point here. Even when you were called on it by 60 Minutes�they played a clip�you came back the next day�
LOU DOBBS: Right.
AMY GOODMAN: �and you continued this fallacy. But the issue is, we�re raising different issues in different spheres of American life�prisons, disease�and in each of these cases, what many people are concerned about what you�re doing, because there is no question, Lou Dobbs, you are extremely influential in this country. You are a key part of driving the debate on immigration.
LOU DOBBS: Right.
AMY GOODMAN: And so, I think it is important to be accurate�
LOU DOBBS: Oh, I do, too.
AMY GOODMAN: �to start there.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Yeah, but I think we should�
LOU DOBBS: Have you ever made a mistake on this broadcast, Amy?
AMY GOODMAN: Yes.
LOU DOBBS: How many, would you say?
AMY GOODMAN: I would say that each time it�s pointed out, we try to apologize for it.
LOU DOBBS: So do we.
AMY GOODMAN: And we try to correct the record.
LOU DOBBS: And the issue is, for me, the 7,000 cases�as soon as I understood the issue was the three years versus thirty years�I mean, to me it was a�
AMY GOODMAN: That�s not minor.
LOU DOBBS: To me, it frankly was of no interest. The issue was 7,000 cases on the registry of Hansen�s. That was the issue I was responding to when I understood fully the three-year thing. I mean, to me, the idea was whether the registry had been brought up to date or not. No one in their right mind thought that�you know, a year, or whatever, that a thousand cases had been created.