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  • ash123
    02-12 03:41 PM
    FYI .. This post is what I received in e-mail few days back.

    I would like to bring to the notice of your readers, editorial committee and leaders of
    the Indian community of a systematic way that (legally) the US Government is practicing
    legal ethnic cleansing of Indians and Chinese and other H-1B visa holders.

    While it is agreeable that the current economic downturn is the worst one has seen.
    It is time to band together with what resources we have and make it thru this perfect
    storm. However, the machinations of a few politicians and the further connivance of the
    USCIS, we are about to see a systematic 'legal ethnic cleansing of Indians and other
    foreign professionals'.

    Leaders of the ethnic Indian community should take up this issue. Leading Indian attorneys
    such as Chugh Firm, Khanna Firm, Sheela Murthy, and leaders like Dr. Romesh Japra and
    Yogi Chugh etc should do something about this with their contacts at the highest levels.

    How is this happening and why is it ethnic cleansing?

    Since 1990's every year several thousands of Indian professionals come to the US. Because of
    delay in processing of their Green Cards a vast majority of them are on H-1B.

    With the current downturn, Sen. Grassley et all have raised such a stink that companies are
    forced to lay off H-1b holders first before they lay off any other US employees. While the US
    employers may not always do this. They are being shamed into revealing how they laid off
    US Citizens before laying off others. Net Net....Indian professionals are being laid off from
    large companies (ofcourse, along with layoffs of US citizens and Green card holders as well).

    Now, having been laid off, H-1b holders are forced to leave the country within 10 days if they
    do not find another job. Now, many are forced to leave the US as they cannot sustain living
    in the US. However, some enterprising few are finding lower paying jobs or are finding so called
    'body shopping companies' to file their H-1b transfer in anticipation of staying around till the
    economy improves and they can find suitable jobs. Here is when the systematic targetting and
    ethnic cleansing is coming to the fore. The USCIS in the past which did not, out of the ordinary
    question such H-1b transfers. is raising Request for Evidence (RFE) from these companies.

    These RFEs are raised in such a way that it is impossible to answer them. They are thus
    not only targetting the H-1b candidates, they are systematically undermining the people
    (companies) who want to help out H-1b candidates out of their predicament of being stranded.

    Imagine living in the US for the past 8 years. Owning a home, then getting in line for the
    Green Card. You are close to getting the green card but because of backlog you only get
    what is called the Employment Authorization Card (EAD). So, you continue to be on H-1b status.
    Then your employer fires you....

    There are two paths here.....Technically, with a EAD card you can get employment anywhere
    with what is called US AC21 Portability.However, AC21 EAD portability comes with the need
    that a person with EAD should have another job with the exact same profile and same salary.
    In this market who is going to give you a job with this exact profile as your old job. The only
    way for a person to stay on 'legally' is to file a backup H-1b.

    Thus a person in the 'last stages' of his green card also actually ends up joining a fresh h-1b
    software professional.

    Now, what will the USCIS do? They will ensure that they find some issue with the RFE response
    provided by the 'body shopping company' and issue a denial of H-1b extension.

    The body shopping companies are trying to be the Raoul Wallenbergs (helping with visa when a
    person is in distress - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raoul_Wallenberg). However, the USCIS will
    ensure that literally hundred thousand Indian and Chinese professionals are kicked out of the
    US. The same professionals who came to US to contribute to its success will now be kicked
    out of US against their wish. The companies who are willing to help them will also be harassed
    in the bargain, some of those companies will be investigated for non-payment of wages, some
    of them will be subjected to USCIS audits for trying to help these helpless people whose lives
    are being uprooted.....I am not in any way saying that lives of US citizens is not being uprooted.
    These are very tough times and there is no reason to pick on the helpless, unrepresented people.

    This is as un-american as it gets. US is famous for its chivalry. Over 5000 lives have been sacrificed
    in Iraq to foster democracy and fairness in that part of the world. This is an un-American as it gets.
    This is a planned lynching and killing of the 'spirit' of the foreign worker who came to US dreaming
    of making it the American dream and participating/contributing to its success.

    What should the USCIS do?

    Given the tough times...They should allow people to stay on in the US as long as another
    employer is willing to keep them in status. They should not question the H-1b applications as
    everyone knows that USCIS can find issues with every single H-1b extension filed right now
    with their respective offices. As someone said - Rejecting a H1b now is like issuing speeding
    tickets at INDY 500. Even the largest companies such as Microsoft and IBM can have their
    H-1b applications rejected by the USCIS with the silliest of excuse.

    What is in it for the USCIS not to do this ethnic cleansing?

    Long term vision for America not just right now. This year the US Embassies in India issued over
    98,000 visas to students from India. These are students who are paying their way thru education
    in the US (a country with the most expensive but best education). If it turns out that US specifically
    targets Indians for 'special h-1b rejection treatment' literally half of them will never aspire to come
    to the US within the next 2 or 3 years.

    Right now the economy is bad, but it will improve: It is a 'perfect storm' right now which is causing
    this downturn. The economy will surely improve in the next few quarters. There will then be new
    sectors of the economy that will boom that will need professionals. There will be enough work by then
    for these H-1b professionals as well as US residents.

    Confident and free people contribute positively:
    If the word spreads that even in bad times this society did not turn on them then the US people
    will be appreciated. But, if the message is, when you are down they will kick you where it
    hurts, then this society will not succeed. Just imagine, there are at least 250,000 (maybe more) people of Indian
    and Asian origin who would end up buying a house if they knew for sure that they could continue
    to live without the fear of being 'ethnically cleansed'. Most Indians and Asians save money and do
    not splurge. Just this measure of confidence will ensure that they will spend money in the US
    economy. Just their contributions will ensure that there is a bump in the housing sector.

    Finally, As they say - "Those who do not learn from history are forced to repeat it". The US
    is perpetrating a betrayal of people who could contribute to its success in the long run. But, what they are
    getting is a form of 'systematic and legally driven ethnic cleansing' - they are being identified and
    driven out of the country which they have loyally served for varying periods of time.....

    God Bless America....God Save America from 'some' of its own people.

    Thanks.





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  • sunty
    03-09 01:04 PM
    July '09 Bulletin will be full of surprises..(at least for EB2 folks)..





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  • GC_ASP
    03-18 05:45 PM
    Please see the last sentece which says "Thus, the same cut-off date for each country since the extra numbers must be made available in priority date order without regard to country".

    When they use this spill over, only PD is imp not the country.


    If that is the case, I am not sure why China didn't even move a single day. From the example, China should have gotten half of the unused visas. :confused:





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  • mhathi
    06-11 11:52 AM
    Sent early this morning, then resent after Pappu's message.



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  • joydiptac
    05-14 02:24 PM
    Hi,

    I am planning to start my Online MBA from Univ of Nebraska (UNL). This is AACSB certified.
    Also the price point is really sweet. 17K only + Books. Business Week placed it 4th overall part time.
    The Best Part-Time Business Schools: University of Nebraska - BusinessWeek (http://images.businessweek.com/ss/09/11/1105_best_part_time_business_schools/7.htm)
    -That is what got me interested in the first place.
    Plus it is not a "** State University" but a "University of **" which means it should have better profs.

    Anyhow anyone has any pros and cons to share about this one?

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  • Ahimsa
    11-08 02:49 PM
    Hi
    I live in Iselin
    My labor filed in Nov 2003 as NY EB3 RIR
    Not yet approved -- "In Process"



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  • gckp
    08-14 10:04 PM
    I guess nobody is waiting for it now....





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  • MDix
    03-10 03:14 PM
    I hope I have answered your question (in red). :)
    Let me ask you again, there are two "they". Same or Different?
    Here is your statement again
    >> Once they (USCIS) reached last quarter then they(DOS) will make EB2-I/C current and distribute those spill-over visas across EB.

    Remember, this is a trap question.



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  • immi_seeker
    03-12 01:13 PM
    Guys try to be matured in this bad situation. Bashing IV is not a solution. We can not afford to cut the bunch of tree where are sitting! Lets understood the hardcore reality.

    1. Changing of law is not possible in near future.
    2. When law is very clear for applying quarterly spillover, why the hell USCIS/DOS is not applying spillover even in third quarter? Half of the problem will be solved, if they effectively apply spillover. Why we are not pressuring USCIS/DOS to follow the law for spillover? Truth is with us. If we are truly frustrated, why not doing another flower campaign, hunger strike, tremendous pressure to the Congress and White house, or lawsuit? There are 60 to 70 thousand spillover visas will use to backlogged categories.

    Planned out thousands of flowers to DOS/USCIS or file class action lawsuit for not applying spillover on timely manner. In past they they wasted thousands of visa for just waiting for spillover in last quarter.

    If you are really frustrated come out and make the change. Bashing to the IV is not solution.


    Totally Agree. Bashing IV is not the way to go. IV is nothing but all of us. This is the only platform we have got. Lets not think IV as an external company who we pay money and if things doesnt work out bash them.Thats not the model here. Also we should be thankful for whatever the volunteers are doing. If things work out thats great. If not that stil okay. Atleast we have a platform like IV to discuss ideas and do initiatives. Please try to take things positively.

    My biggest concern in the VB stuff is that it seems USCIS is heading towards wasting visas. We need to work together to make sure that doesnt happen. All Visas should used in whatever way it is spilled over.





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  • vbkris77
    03-10 04:18 PM
    Thanks for the reply. I already contributed fo FOIA campaign.

    We keep doing feasibility discussions within the team and with our advisors before launching a campaign. We did work on some in your list above + more last year and got a couple of successes in return. Admin fix for 2 year EAD, visa recapture bill introduction are some.

    I feel some admin fixes can be possible at this time and some advocacy effort with USCIS can help us get more efficient service. FOIA campaign is a step in that direction. Please support it to make it successful so that we have resources and participation to move forward.



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  • uma001
    07-29 05:11 AM
    A sure invitation for defamation suit. Good luck.

    There is nothing wrong in what I have posted to invite defamation suit.We should be filing defamation suit against them for not filing green cards as promised.Whatever my friend said I posted here.





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  • saatiish
    07-13 10:40 AM
    Mar 1 2006 - Mar 7 2006 --> will be processed when cutoff date is Mar 08 2006.

    yikes !!! so looks like I have to wait then... anyways I was happy for a few moments till I saw this message :)



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  • shankar_thanu
    04-04 02:53 PM
    This bill would affect all of us if they apply these same rules when we try to exend or transfer out existing H1s. Does it(the bill) say anything about that?





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  • NKR
    03-09 12:34 PM
    another fr***ing disappointing bulletin..



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  • Openarms
    10-17 11:23 AM
    Notarized & mailed my FOIA letter yesterday.





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  • waitnwatch
    07-13 12:00 PM
    "Why does Murthy publicize such a letter?" - well it means that she has a client base who needs to know what she is doing in her capacity as thier attorney. Second - there are thousands of Murthy.com members who are neither her client nor her well wishers - but who go to her site to find what is going on latest in the world of Immigration. Not to discredit anyone's effort in this issue - ask any immigrant or potential immigrant into this country about immigration related question, I can guarantee you that they have gained almost all thier knowledge about the process from Murthy.com site. Intended or unintended - the message to DHS is welcome, particularly at this time, be it from whoever.

    Anyone who has been a regular murthy.com visitor knows that her site consists of all her interactions with all the Agency people and government officials regarding immigration. Its called the "Internet". People post stuff - period! If it is meant to garner attention, yes, people will post messages. Its far better than a bunch of goof balls posting in youtube about thier experience with coke and spearmint. Please come out of the caves - people.

    You've agreed with my notion that this is just another posting on the internet. I surely agree with that. On the other hand this letter does not "add" or "subtract" much from the debate. In other words it doesn't have more value than say a letter from you. Of course if there is a response from the DHS secretary to the letter then one can definitely say there is great value in this letter.

    Also note that the importance or usefulness of this letter has nothing to do with Murthy's forum. One can also add intent to why she set up that forum but that is not the point of this discussion. Also your statement about all immigrants getting their immigration knowledge from murthy is interesting although again that has nothing to do with this discussion.

    Anyway this ultimately will lead nowhere..........I donot have an issue with Murthy writing a letter and posting it on her website. My problem is with this thread on IV which is trying to give that letter a warped perspective of importance.



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  • vandanaverdia
    09-12 08:35 PM
    Guys,

    Good to know the weather will be good, but even it is not, the spirit shouldnt die. I wish all realize this. I hope the weather is horrible and we all still make it to make the voice heard louder.,

    Sri..

    Hey sri: Are you hoping for horrible weather because you are not attending the rally??? Your public profile says you are not attending the rally????
    Come rain or shine... You should be with all of us in DC!!!

    GO IV!!!





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  • uma001
    07-29 05:11 AM
    A sure invitation for defamation suit. Good luck.

    There is nothing wrong in what I have posted to invite defamation suit.We should be filing defamation suit against them for not filing green cards as promised.Whatever my friend said I posted here.





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  • sanju
    04-22 08:23 PM
    I was the first person in the QnA - disappointed at the intent of this meeting - they really care about illegal immigration - not once legal immigrants were discussed. It was a farce and IV was just used as an organization to show support to him - very disappointed.:mad:


    gautamagg,

    You are the biggest idiot on the face of the earth. You went to the event saying that you represent Immigration Voice. Then you started showing your elitist attitude during your question. If I recollect, your question was:

    You came to US on student visa, changed to H1 and filed for green card. You do not want to live in US but simply want to go back to India after getting a “higher degree”. Since you have declared your immigrant intent, you are not able to change to F1 visa. Stanford and Berkeley Universities are dying to have you as a student in those Univ. What should you do …..

    How the hell do you expect a Congressman to answer a question that is meant for an immigration counselor/attorney? To begin with, why did you even ask such a question in this event? Do you have any idea what Immigration Voice is about? When you are saying you want to go back, why don’t you simply leave? Why the hell is there a need for you to come to a meeting and ask a question that does not represent the problems of the majority and the representative sample of IV members? It would be one thing if your question represented the problem in general. But it is entirely different thing when you come to such event and want to get answers for your question so that you don’t have to pay $100 to an immigration attorney. I truly feel ashamed of being called as “highly skilled” immigrant when elitist like you ask such stupid question. There is definitely something wrong with the selection process of Berkeley and Stanford to select idiots like you. Sometimes, looking at some posts and people like yourself, I personally feel that people whom you called “illegal immigrants” are far better than people like you. And without having any clue of the bigger objective of the meeting and our participation, you are coming here and posting that you are “disappointed at the intent of this meeting”. Boy! you have some nerve. Best of luck with your tunnel vision which is sure to take you places.

    On a different note, Congressman Gutierrez is a true leader. He took the lead in sponsoring COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM bill. Congress is full of people who do not look at the merit of the issue but simple look at the polls to decide their stand on the issue. Congressman Gutierrez showed exceptional courage and quality of a true leader by sponsoring STRIVE bill. If you don’t know, STRIVE bill has very good provisions to end green card backlog. But of’course, why would you care, you are simply dying to go back and simply wanted to show to the crowed that you are better than others. You have no clue about “COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM bill”, would you? I would have not replied to you if you hadn't posted your message. But seeing you behave the way you did at the event, and then coming to the forums to say that you were “disappointed” underscores a simple fact, and that is, when IV has foolish members like yourself, there is no need for anti-immigrant groups to do anything.





    sgorla
    01-16 01:39 PM
    Hello folks,
    I just signed up for $ 20 a month contribution to IV. I hope this helps to fight for our cause. I did talk to few people that I know who are in the same boat as we are, and hope they join IV and contribute.





    yganreddy
    07-07 03:54 AM
    COngratulations. Enjoy your green.

    Got approval emails yesterday.

    PD Feb 2004
    EB2 India
    LC Approved 8/10/06
    140 Approved 2/12/07
    485 Filed on 6/27/07 NSC



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